I would like to post some point counterpoints in defense of Atheism or in the least for anti-theism.
One of the most common things a nonbeliever will hear is; What if you're wrong?
I usually understand this point to be Pascals wager or Pascals Gambit. Pascal gives a simple cost benefit analysis to defend theism. It states that if there IS a god and you believe, you go to heaven. If there IS a god and you don't believe, you go to hell. Conversely if there isn't a god and whether you believe or not, you have lost nothing.
So that's simple, you must believe right? Well, no. First on the rebuttle is can you actually fool god? If a person examines the evidence, eg the bible, koran, ect., and cannot find that to be accurate or true, can he then say he believes in a vain attempt to enter heaven? Will god not see through this deception? Wouldn't the jealous god of the bible be angry then? Obviously this makes no sense but it gets worse. How about living with self respect. Are you seriously telling me that you can extol the faith when you know it's wrong?! What kind of person would you then become? If god gave us reason and logic, would it not then be wrong to dispose of these? Wouldn't god want us to search for truth, not settle for self imposed brain washing? It is unhealthy to knowingly believe in a lie.
Pascals wager is really a disgusting attempt at creating self delusion in expense of your self respect, dignity, humanity, health, reason, and all the little things that make us explorers of humanity and the cosmos. This is "religious hucksterism of the cheapest, vulgarest, nastiest kind that is possible to imagine" AND all this says nothing about believing in the wrong god. Last point here, if this god is so forgiving, so loving, so smart, so wonderful why would he have no room in his 'heart' for honest, decent people who have done nothing wrong at all?
Another arguments goes like this; We would not have morality if not for god or religion.
How long have people been around gives you the easy, fast answer. If you believe the world is only 6,000 years old, there isn't much I can do here. If you accept that humanity has been around on the order of 100,000 plus years, it is plain to see that we would not have gotten as far as we did if morality wasn't innate. Morality also follows cultural development and this usually have a religious element to it but as is also plain religion and the bible or koran have come only in the last 2,000 years. How did humanity get by for 98,000+ years without god? How did the jews who wandered the desert before coming upon MT. Sinai know that murder, rape, perjury, theft were not okay? Of course they knew long before then.
If we could go back say 1,000 years or during the time of the Inquisition, we would see that they followed the bible and its tenets very closely. They persecuted witches, tortured and killed heretics, endorsed slavery and genocide on an order that would frighten and outrage us today. We can also read the international headlines and read what most muslim countries offer us in light of gods wisdom. Cutting off the noses and ears for women who dishonor the family, stoning people for conversing with the wrong interpreters of muhammad, and throwing battery acid in the face of women for attending school. Is muhammad's law just and reasonable, I THINK NOT!
Please don't think we need to be stuck in the bronze age of morality and wisdom of our world. Is it not apparent that we need to understand our history and moderate our ignorance of issues and topics with care and understanding? Do you realize modern western culture has moderated christianity to its current standing and the muslin world lags behind us only for the fact that their faith guides their society and not education, science, and reason. Do not let faith guide your actions anymore.
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Showing posts with label Christopher Hitchens. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Christopher Hitchens. Show all posts
Monday, February 27, 2012
Saturday, February 4, 2012
Vanity Fair
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/06/hitchens-proust-questionnaire-201006
Christopher Hitchens (13 April 1949–15 December 2011) has died of esophageal cancer. He admitted in part that, staying up too late with friends smoking, drinking to keep the conversation going may have been the reason that cancer formed. Not a whole lot I can say here about this 'demigod' that has not been said before but he may not been a teacher in the classical sense but he is one to learn a great deal from.
Having a female friend who gets Cosmopolitan, I see they have many surveys but they are a little too female oriented. Combining these two threads is the topic of the link above. It is safe for work and life. If I may, in defiance to ACTA/SOPA,PIPA and take this survey myself to enjoy a mental exercise:
What do you regard as the lowest depth of misery?
Pain, misery, hunger, sickness when these things are so easily fixed in our community and world by sheer economics of needing to maintain a society where profit rules supreme.
Where would you like to live?
The future; I would like to know more about the universe, the sciences of the mind, and where we were going as a civilization. Do we prosper or something worse?
What is your idea of earthly happiness?
non-contingent happiness. Some sort of intrinsic happiness.
To what faults do you feel most indulgent?
To my appetite and sometimes to my listlessness
Who are your favorite heroes of fiction?
The characters of Star Trek.
Who are your favorite characters in history?
That's more difficult to nail down for history usually has a lens on it. I would say the writers of our constitution, or the many unnamed, often times soldiers, through time who stood up to tyrants, theocratic leaders, and despots AND who knew they were doing a moral right.
Who are your favorite heroines in real life?
All those women who wrote under male names or anonymous
Who are your favorite heroines of fiction?
Evey in V for Vendetta, Star Trek Heroins especially Uhura for a female character in a technical role that commanded respect and not subservience.
Your favorite painter?
If I can abuse the openness of the question I would say Bill Watterson, even though he may be more of an animator.
Your favorite musician?
How do I pick just one? In my teenage years the one group that was most influential for me was Korn.
The quality you most admire in a man?
Not being afraid to fail, while not possessing arrogance but still not being submissive to the thoughts of others.
The quality you most admire in a woman?
The same as above but with the seemingly innate sense to take care for one another.
Your favorite virtue?
Honesty, in life and in truth
Your least favorite virtue, or nominee for the most overrated one?
Like Hitchens', faith. and piety.
Your proudest achievement?
I'll Let you know when I find one remarkable.
Your favorite occupation?
One that you can earn money on your owns terms. I have not found it yet.
Who would you have liked to be?
The US president after Sept. 11th 2001. I would hope I would have had the strength to differ in the course we took for this nation in nearly every regards. Especially so in how we have wasted our respect in the world that took so many years to build up.
Your most marked characteristic?
Internally; question everything. Externally; my height.
What do you most value in your friends?
The will to challenge me in a positive way.
What is your principal defect?
Intolerance of bad ideas or perceived stupidity
What to your mind would be the greatest of misfortunes?
Living a life not worth dying for.
What would you like to be?
Free of daily physical pain in the chronic sense
What is your favorite color?
Clear
What is your favorite flower?
The tulip or possibly the Iris
What is your favorite bird?
The Mallard
What word or expression do you most overuse?
Expressions of frustration and/or disbelief, although feel I may not be at fault.
Who are your favorite poets?
Song writers. Vague I know but the marrying of music with words moves me the most. Pink Floyd for instance.
What is it you most dislike?
Myself sometimes. The monetary system.
Which historical figures do you most despise?
The Stalins, Pol Pots, Maos and Che Guevaras, the REAl bastards
Which contemporary figures do you most despise?
The Jerry Falwells of the world, Pat Robertson
Which events in military history do you most admire?
The desperate ones in retreat. The English Expeditionary Force in WW2 for instance. Its history combined with an emotion.
Which natural gift would you most like to possess?
Oration in front of many strangers.
How would you like to die?
At a ripe age and with as little pain as possible.
What do you most dislike about your appearance?
I'm balding with glasses and fat which makes it hard to choose
What is your motto?
Paralysis through analysis
How would you do?
Thank you.
Christopher Hitchens (13 April 1949–15 December 2011) has died of esophageal cancer. He admitted in part that, staying up too late with friends smoking, drinking to keep the conversation going may have been the reason that cancer formed. Not a whole lot I can say here about this 'demigod' that has not been said before but he may not been a teacher in the classical sense but he is one to learn a great deal from.
Having a female friend who gets Cosmopolitan, I see they have many surveys but they are a little too female oriented. Combining these two threads is the topic of the link above. It is safe for work and life. If I may, in defiance to ACTA/SOPA,PIPA and take this survey myself to enjoy a mental exercise:
What do you regard as the lowest depth of misery?
Pain, misery, hunger, sickness when these things are so easily fixed in our community and world by sheer economics of needing to maintain a society where profit rules supreme.
Where would you like to live?
The future; I would like to know more about the universe, the sciences of the mind, and where we were going as a civilization. Do we prosper or something worse?
What is your idea of earthly happiness?
non-contingent happiness. Some sort of intrinsic happiness.
To what faults do you feel most indulgent?
To my appetite and sometimes to my listlessness
Who are your favorite heroes of fiction?
The characters of Star Trek.
Who are your favorite characters in history?
That's more difficult to nail down for history usually has a lens on it. I would say the writers of our constitution, or the many unnamed, often times soldiers, through time who stood up to tyrants, theocratic leaders, and despots AND who knew they were doing a moral right.
Who are your favorite heroines in real life?
All those women who wrote under male names or anonymous
Who are your favorite heroines of fiction?
Evey in V for Vendetta, Star Trek Heroins especially Uhura for a female character in a technical role that commanded respect and not subservience.
Your favorite painter?
If I can abuse the openness of the question I would say Bill Watterson, even though he may be more of an animator.
Your favorite musician?
How do I pick just one? In my teenage years the one group that was most influential for me was Korn.
The quality you most admire in a man?
Not being afraid to fail, while not possessing arrogance but still not being submissive to the thoughts of others.
The quality you most admire in a woman?
The same as above but with the seemingly innate sense to take care for one another.
Your favorite virtue?
Honesty, in life and in truth
Your least favorite virtue, or nominee for the most overrated one?
Like Hitchens', faith. and piety.
Your proudest achievement?
I'll Let you know when I find one remarkable.
Your favorite occupation?
One that you can earn money on your owns terms. I have not found it yet.
Who would you have liked to be?
The US president after Sept. 11th 2001. I would hope I would have had the strength to differ in the course we took for this nation in nearly every regards. Especially so in how we have wasted our respect in the world that took so many years to build up.
Your most marked characteristic?
Internally; question everything. Externally; my height.
What do you most value in your friends?
The will to challenge me in a positive way.
What is your principal defect?
Intolerance of bad ideas or perceived stupidity
What to your mind would be the greatest of misfortunes?
Living a life not worth dying for.
What would you like to be?
Free of daily physical pain in the chronic sense
What is your favorite color?
Clear
What is your favorite flower?
The tulip or possibly the Iris
What is your favorite bird?
The Mallard
What word or expression do you most overuse?
Expressions of frustration and/or disbelief, although feel I may not be at fault.
Who are your favorite poets?
Song writers. Vague I know but the marrying of music with words moves me the most. Pink Floyd for instance.
What is it you most dislike?
Myself sometimes. The monetary system.
Which historical figures do you most despise?
The Stalins, Pol Pots, Maos and Che Guevaras, the REAl bastards
Which contemporary figures do you most despise?
The Jerry Falwells of the world, Pat Robertson
Which events in military history do you most admire?
The desperate ones in retreat. The English Expeditionary Force in WW2 for instance. Its history combined with an emotion.
Which natural gift would you most like to possess?
Oration in front of many strangers.
How would you like to die?
At a ripe age and with as little pain as possible.
What do you most dislike about your appearance?
I'm balding with glasses and fat which makes it hard to choose
What is your motto?
Paralysis through analysis
How would you do?
Thank you.
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